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Your central topic is development, so these comments and questions seem appropriate:

I'll use Djokovic as a recent example because I have a good sense of his evolution. Djokovic in his physical prime (2011-2019) was undoubtedly superior physically to the later version of Djokovic. But I think it is evident that Djokovic in recent years is much more skilled than he used to be; his serve and his volleys in particular are better than they were in 2011 or 2015 or 2019. And we know that in general he is hitting the ball harder now than he was ten years ago. If, hypothetically, 2011 Djokovic played against 2023 Djokovic, is the former's physical advantage really enough to make up for the latter being more skilled in virtually every way?

I think the young Federer was superior to old Federer, but it can't be denied that Federer's backhand from 2017 to 2019 was infinitely better than it was prior to those years.

When talking about Nadal, people usually say he was best on clay in 2008 or 2010. Is this really true? He was without question physically superior in those years, but wouldn't he have been hitting harder later in his career?

I can make this matter more general. What do we mean when we say, "x is better than y?" Do we mean, "x would beat y in a match?" Or do we mean something else—when we are talking about (versions of) players from different eras? Players are hitting the ball harder than ever now; would Djokovic from 2011 be able to handle the pace of Sinner and Alcaraz?

When I watch older matches (think before the early 2000s), I often struggle to appreciate what is happening because I keep thinking, "these players would be obliterated if they played today." What are we talking about when we say that a match played in the 1980s was excellent? Are we referring to some transcendent standard of excellence? (I happen to think that we are, but it doesn't have so much to do with who would win a particular match.)

I also have a few thoughts about Sinner and Alcaraz's domination. People have been saying for over a year that the ATP is boring because Sinner and Alcaraz win everything. Yet I don't have the sense that anyone claimed Federer and Nadal's domination was boring. My suspicion is that when people say, "Sinner and Alcaraz's reign is boring," what they mean is, "Sinner is boring."

I can't help but feel that the gap between Federer and Nadal and their contemporaries from 2005-2007 was larger than the gap between Sinner and Alcaraz and their contemporaries, at least with respect to level. When I look at the year-end rankings in the middle of the 2000s, I always think that Zverev, Medvedev, Draper, Musetti, and perhaps some others are vastly superior to Roddick, Davydenko, Blake, etc. I am defining gap with respect to best level; how would you define it?

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As a biologist, thank you for not misunderstanding Darwin. And as an Italian, we have a saying that drives home the difference between words-knowledge and action a bit harder than the English "easier said than done." It's "tra il dire e il fare c'è di mezzo il mare" - "between Saying and Doing there's a sea." And some are indeed unbelievably talented at quickly navigating that sea.

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